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Swimming Pic of the Week - March 26, 2009

Posted by Glenn Mills on Mar 26, 2009 08:00AM (4,197 views)

Tell us what's happening in this pic, and if it's good... or not so good.

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Responded Mar 26, 2009 12:52PM

The guy is starting the turn. It seems to me that he is taking the momentum from the swimming into the turn. His back is quite flat right on the surface of the water. He should have a quick turn.

Responded Mar 26, 2009 01:10PM

Going into the turn, head down letting water flow down his back, arms by sides ready to come out in a good streamline and no use of hands to scull round. Looks good to me. Practicing across the pool rather than down the length?

Responded Mar 26, 2009 01:12PM

:( They have NEVER turned this pool long-course. It's simply for show. It's a waste, so we're always swimming across the pool (short-course yards). I'd LOVE it if they switched it to long-course.

Responded Mar 26, 2009 01:46PM

Glenn, It's tough to tell with the slope of the pool, the camera not being squared on the swimmer..... His hips seem a bit lower than his head as if he was in a dolphin motion prior to the turn..... That excess vertical motion would be "not so good."

Responded Mar 26, 2009 01:49PM

The slight angle is for "dramatic effect". You know... that "artsy" side of me. OR... I just stuck the camera under water before his turn, and it was tilted a bit. You decide. Nice call on the big bob coming in Rich... we've been working on that, and this is much smoother than normal. Might know I learned the faster, non-bobbing, flip-turn from Dave Durden, just after his stint at Auburn. Darn you Auburn guys... but thanks for the knowledge. :)

Responded Mar 26, 2009 02:08PM

No worries on the angle, nor your artistic limitations... :-)

That 'bobbing' technique while going into the turn was taught to us as age-groupers and, unfortunately (or fortunately) we now understand that the laws of physics don't support it. The good news is that, you're helping spread the word by asking the question with a pic like that! The bad news is, you darn Bama guys, are always looking to spread the word on good techniques to everyone else.... :-) I bet Dave Durden will have his Cal men ready with good techniques this week.

Responded Mar 26, 2009 03:20PM

He doesn't have a cap on his head!!!!!!!

Responded Mar 26, 2009 04:14PM

When you say bobbing, do you mean preforming a dolphin kick at the beginning of the turn.
I remember doing that as a swimmer because it felt faster,but Ive never taught that as a coach.
I spent countless hours teaching timing and submerging.Glenn, you could probably produce another goswim dvd based on turn drill progressions. It would be nice to see and UNDERSTAND how the latest and greatest do it.

Responded Mar 26, 2009 04:39PM

Here's a very old drill... I just uploaded an old clip of video for it as well.

http://www.goswim.tv/entries/3231

Responded Mar 27, 2009 03:16AM

I have been practicing alot on submerging going into my turns. It is a tough concept to get down. I haven't even begun to teach my kids because I'm not even sure I know how. I learned about it from Auburn though.... Glenn do you know anything about it? I'm sure you do. That would be a good drill to post

Responded Mar 27, 2009 04:11AM

The drill that glenn posted about submerging was great! On monday I added it to one of our drill progressions and it worked out very well.
This is how we worked it in:
1) Waterfall drill
2)Deep end completely submerged and push off the bottom with you back in waterfall position.(Back rounded)complete one automatic somersault.
3)Go to the shallow end and explode off the bottom of the pool and into a jump somersault position.(We still have our backs in waterfall position when we explode from the bottom)
the key is to start the turn before your back breaks the surface.
4)Underwater turn at the wall with hands at your side.(Feel the pressure implode your somersault.)
4)Perform one slow turn and one race pace turn.
-Its kind of hard to explain without the visual...but its worth a try.
Thanks Glenn!

Responded Mar 27, 2009 12:05PM

Thanks. There are so many of the OLD drills that I have to turn back on. I keep looking at my workload, and then looking at all the drills that are missing vids, or haven't been cleaned up since we switched to the new site. Man... there's a lot of stuff on this site... some of it's even GOOD. :)

Responded Apr 03, 2009 12:21PM

1. palms should face bottom of pool to get a hold on the water to initiate the somersault;

2. he should look at wall so he can judge distance from wall (that may be controversial but I feel the swimmer should look at the bottom of the pool while swimming but at the end of the bottom line, he should look at the wall to be able to judge the correct time to initiate his somersault; the slight additional resistance for a second or so is outweighed by the reduction in the odds of doing a poor turn)

Responded Apr 03, 2009 12:41PM

Hi Bob. Quickly commenting on your points:
1) If you watch the linked drill, Waterfall Flips, you'll see that at speed, you don't have to use your hands to flip. This releases the hands to return to streamline quicker, and gives a better chance for a quality and quick push.
2) At this point in the turn, with the head already moving down, the swimmer would have already sited the wall... at this point, once the downward motion has been initiated, it's too late to look. Looking at this point would just create a hesitation.

Just my opinions. Thanks for posting.


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