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Swimming Question of the Week - August 4, 2010

Posted by Glenn Mills on Aug 04, 2010 09:43AM (3,905 views)

Been doing a lot of teaching lately, and working with tons of swimmers.  Getting swimmers from all over the world and watching what they're taught (or not taught) on a daily basis, I started to wonder about the next two questions.  

While this isn't meant as an indictment of anyone, because both parties ultimately have a lot of responsibility, it's just that sometimes, one way or another, too much credit is given or taken by one side.

Question 1)
Can a poor swimmer improve with a poor coach?

Question 2)
Can a great swimmer thrive with a poor coach?




Responses

Responded Aug 04, 2010 05:06PM

COACH IS THE MAIN FACTOR OF SUCSSES FOR ANY SWIMMER , ( SHORT DISTANCES) , BUT THAT DOSE NOT MEAN WITH POOR SWIMMER ( SWIMMER MUST HAVE THE ABILITY OF IMPROVING AND WANT TO ) BUT IN LONG DISTANCES THE MAIN FACTOR IS SWIMMER THAT MEAN POOR COACH CAN WORK

Responded Aug 05, 2010 02:48AM

Poor plus poor equals a short swimming career. Great swimmers in the absence of a good coach will most likely be looking for another program. Our sport is far too technical, the "natural" athlete still needs fine tuning and critical review in order to thrive. I miss hearing my coach encourage me during practice. Hey Glenn, is it possible to over-dub his coaching to my SwiMp3?

Responded Aug 08, 2010 08:21AM

a poor swimmer can improve with a poor coach, if he is very self motivated and self-monitoring and does a lot more than the coach tells him/ her to do. However usually self-motivated and self-monitoring peole expect the same "professionalism" from the coach and will probalby look for another coach.
probably similar with great swimmer and poor coach. IF the great/ talanted swimmer wants to achieve more with his/ her swimming, sooner or later the he/ she will recognize the black wholes in the coache's work/ ethic and will look for a better advisor in order to achive his/ her goals.
In any cases people surround themselves with people with similar charecter, ethic, understanding and believes. Anything else would make us unhappy and would hold us back.

Responded Aug 10, 2010 09:24PM

What is a 'poor'/'great' coach? .....is it compared to the skill level of their swimmers? Is it in terms of the program/skills they are offering the swimmer? Is in terms of their swimmers current developmental stage/ goals/ physiology/ stroke/ event and the training/teaching you are offering them? Talent is the building of skills and the ability to perform multiple repetitions at a high level. The coaches ability should be in contrast at a level where they can foster these repetitions and the transference of skills from the short term to long term memory (good habits), at race/training relevant intensities. Maybe the whole swimmer at a higher level than the coach, works when the swimmers 'talent' or motivation gives them the ability to swim at a high skill level without the coaches constant/technical input? Even the whole natural swimmer myth is in reality based on the ability of the coach or swimmer to activate the genes that they may have. To move forward with your swimming or coaching you must first have a realistic perception of where you are at the present and build skills/educate yourself(finding the right person/people/organization is key) to move forward from this level. Make the conscious decision to coach/teach swimmers to your level of expertise, and then provide a pathway for them to move on from you to someone who can provide the skills for them at their next stage. In my mind a poor coach is when they choose not to provide this pathway or choose to not move forward with their skills/knowledge. Maybe in the same light its also the same as a 'poor' swimmer who makes the choice(guaranteed sometimes they are not educated/motivated to understand the choices they can make) not to move forward with their swimming- by doing something better with a bit more concentration/ effort/higher race or technical skills. Choose your coaching/swimming goals wisely/realistically and develop a pathway towards them and if you are continually moving forward and doing something better/more specific/ at a higher skill level, you are succeeding in my books.

Responded Aug 11, 2010 02:15PM

thats kind of like me...my coach just left to go to law school...so we need a new coach...and we are getting a really easy coach...all he does is work on flip turns and does easy stuff...i want to get better but i dont know if i will with this coach...but he is really good in technique...i hope he does some harder sets that will help me improve and drop time in practice...we will find out though

Responded Aug 11, 2010 02:17PM

o and also i dont really think there are poor or great coaches. sure you may see more improvement with a certain coach but all coaches well coach differently. and sometimes the way they coach will work for you and sometimes it will not.

Responded Aug 11, 2010 08:18PM

I agree with Skipper and k2...what is a "poor coach"? Also, I have seen "poor coaches/swimmers" transformed into "good coaches/swimmers" the second they start working with a different coach or swimmer.

Responded Aug 16, 2010 08:02PM

I know we all want to play nice, and try to pretend there are no "poor coaches" out there, but having been in the sport for more than 40 years, I can tell you... there are many. I'll give my definition of a poor coach: Lazy, uneducated, and unmotivated to learn.

In every profession, these people exist, so let's not kid ourselves into thinking that just because someone is giving kids sets, that they're really involved.

The initial point of this question was fairly simple... to understand that there ARE poor coaches, and that poor swimmers will have to go outside the boundaries of their coach to learn how to improve. It's something I encourage every swimmer I work with to achieve.... study your own stroke SO much, that eventually, NOBODY can tell you something about what you're doing that you don't already know. This includes great coaches.

As far as great swimmers thriving under a poor coach? Absolutely. What is a "great swimmer"? Don't think about this just in terms of how fast someone is, think of it as someone who has reached their physiological potential. I think that's absolutely great, and as I tell my own swimmers again... a monkey can write the practice... a committed athlete will get something out of it.

Not taking anything away from coaches, just making sure we all understand that ultimately, the responsibility for performance lies in the swimmers hands. If they're motivated, they can overcome a non-perfect situation.


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